Sesster
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Sat Aug 25, 2007 8:08 pm
Hi guys, I'm new here, but I think it's fantastic to have this forum for help and general support. I am studying to be a RN, interested to specialize in a a particular field. I am confused about the underpaid argument I have heard recently. When I had a look at the award scale, it doesn't seem too bad at all. Am i missing something about nurses salaries? Any info would be greatly appriciated. Cheers Sesster
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KingAaron
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Aug 25, 2007, 08:39 pm
Hey I think you will find that the base rate per hour is low and a lot of nursing staff make up the "extra" for their take home pay in doing shift work and with their penalties earned doing so. Also you will find that public v's private pay is different, I can only really speak for SA on the topic, but here I belive it is 4% difference and due to be increased in the comming months. Agency nursing staff are generally paid a little extra per hour as well, but, this is due to being employed as casual. Hope this sort of explains a little bit for you. Regards, Aaron
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Sesster
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Aug 25, 2007, 09:31 pm
Aaron mate, Thank you for your reply, greatly appreciated. I am still a little confused about the low rate. I read that a clinical nurse first year salary is AUD 80,000 plus, in the public sector. Is that considered a low annual salary? Or am i misinterpreting something? Cheers mate Sesster
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KingAaron
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Aug 26, 2007, 09:19 am
Hey Iam afraid Iam going to have tolet a RN - CN answer that question, Iam not sure, Sorry, Maybe Darren might be able to shed some like re this amtter. Aaron
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Darren
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Aug 26, 2007, 09:49 am
Hi Sesster, I would be very surprised if a first year CN (level 2) could earn $80K pa. The SA Private Sector Award for a 1st year CN is $40753 The Public Sector have just renegotiated their EBA so I don't have the current figures handy, but it is around $44,000 for a 1st year CN - someone else will have the accurate details. So with shift work, an annual salary of around $55,000 would be achievable I would think.
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Sesster
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Aug 26, 2007, 04:17 pm
Darren Mate, Thank you very much for your reply. This is the graph I was looking at. I may have gotten it wrong, have a look at it if you can. www.health.nsw.gov.au/nursing/pdf/award_july07.pdf You may have to re-type the address. I am fairly new to nursing., and just have a few questions, if i may. I am currently enrolled in a BA Nursing. I was thinking when i graduate to do a masters, extra 1.5 years and specialize. Does this matter at all, in terms of salary? Or do all RN no matter that their qualifications, have to start from year 1-8 before they can specialize or branch out? How does that work mate, really curious. Any help/info would be greatly appreciated. Cheers Darren Sesster
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PeterH
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Aug 28, 2007, 03:35 pm
I'm from Victoria - I did my grad year last year and earnt about $46,000 including weekends/nights etc. My base rate now is $20 an hour - which I'm happy with, but I think the problem is that compared to most of my friends who have done a 3 year bachelors degree and consider themselves professionals, I earn considerably less. On top of this I have to front up to work at all hours. Then there's the difficulty of the work; responsibility/emotional labour etc. In short - it ain't about the money! Here, doing a post qualification course (grad cert/diploma) in a specialty may get you a CNS role quicker - I think they earn in the order of $29-30 an hour. An alternative prerequisite to a CNS role is to work on the same ward for 3 three years continuously - so masters is not something you do for the cash. I think its similar in NSW I'm thinking of further study, but this is purely for my own enjoyment, and to make me a more knowledgeable/competent nurse.
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Sesster
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Aug 28, 2007, 09:22 pm
Peter thanks for your reply. Your grad year means first year as a RN? Or you mean in year 3 of the degree you work full time and get paid? May i ask is that 46000 Gross or Net? Yeah mate im sure its not all about the salary. Being a nurse can be very satisfying though. Did you work shift work as well? Cheers Mate sesster
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Aug 31, 2007, 03:59 pm
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Oh my Lord - 80 000? If only! NT rates are listed in http://www.ocpe.nt.gov.au/_data/assets/pdf_file/0015/22623/nurses.pdf I am a first year RN (ie grad RN) and in the NT classification I am a nurse 2. I was previously an EN - Nurse 1. Note - the wage I receive at the moment is exactly the same as that I received as a level 5 EN. We do receive penalties, which helps, but I have NEVER received 80k. When you compare my brother working fixed hours in a nonqualified position, even if he is a foreman - he earns 50 dollars an hour!!! So for our profession which is very stressful and can involve critical decisions affecting the health of our pts, we are very underpaid! <moderated: updated link>
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Liz
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Oct 04, 2007, 07:51 pm
The first point I have to make with htis issue is that you dont enter nursing for the money. Nurses dont get enough compared to other professions which are like just as stressful in differnet terms. Now is a good time to enter nursing though apparnetly, coz of all the bargaining and stuff. We had the Qld nurses union come and talk to us a few wks before prac. As a grad, in Qld you start at 1.2 coz you have the degree. The current rate is $46 627 a year BEFORE tax of course. I went onto the ATO to find out how much tax you get out. If you get that base rate, its $1787 a fortnight, and you get 484 tax out, which means 1303 in your pocket every fortnight which doesnt really sound like much a wk considering the work you do! last year one facilitator handed us the pay scales for Qld Health, and Dec 08, 1.2 nurses are going to be getting 53K. You dont go into nursing for the money, you go into nursing coz you love helping people to get better. Its a great feeling when you get a patient, esp a long term patient, who leaves and they bring you chocies and stuff as some minor sort of gratidue for all the care that you have provided for them. Its that warm fuzzy feeling you get that gets you back each day, no matter how much shit you get tossed at you.
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Liz
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Oct 04, 2007, 07:53 pm
Oh yeah with the specialites question...it depends. Obviously the more study you do, the more you move up the ranks. As a grad you cant work as a CN (clinical nurse)..you are that when you have done further study and got more experience etc. I am planning to do my grad year and then do my midwifery degree and work as a midwife. However my mentor who is a midwife, said that the study is pretty full on in theory and practice, mainly coz its condensed into a year. And it costs $12K to do in HECS....not to mention those heavy fat midi books haha.
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Dec 05, 2007, 09:58 pm
I think you have to be careful when you are comparing state to state. An RN gr. 3 in one state may actually be a Gr 4 in another. the other thing you have to take into consideration is not to just compare the base rate but the other entitlements each state offers (ie annual leave, parental leave). They say Vic nurses have the lowest base rate across the state, but in actual fact they also have the highest professional development entitlements across the country.
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Sesster
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Dec 08, 2007, 05:50 pm
You said comes out too 1303 per fortnight??? Is that base or including overtimes as well? Thanks Sam
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Liz
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Dec 09, 2007, 05:11 pm
Well for me, I will be working 40hrs a week in a private hospital, and getting about $23 an hr which equates to $1840 a fortnight, not sure what the take home would be. but obviously if you do more afternoons/evenings, night duty and weekends, obviously your wage will go up and up. According to QNU, For the public hospitals award rate, a nursing officer level 1 is $46, 627 a year, $1787.22 a fortnight (take $484 tax) and get 23.5160 an hr. Night shift allowance is 20%, On Call Saturdays, Sundays, Public Holiday and RDOs is $32.50 (not sure if thats per hour or just one lump sum, id assume the latter). On call Mon-Fri is $17.76. Overtime: Mon-Sat first 3 hrs is time and a half, after 3hrs is double time, Sunday is double, Public holidays is double time and a half. Afternoon shift: 12.50%. So yeah as you can see, you really get the money doing the shift work. And if your going into nursing for the money, your silly, coz you dont get as much as you should, as your valued, considering nursing is considered the most trusted profession, and all the stuff you put up with. But they are slowly building up the wages to attract and retain people.
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Sesster
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Dec 09, 2007, 09:16 pm
I like nursing because it is very portable, anywhere in the world. Many options, and i like shift work, expecially at night. I think the money isnt too bad. Depends on how hard u want to work really. Thanks for your info. Sam
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Dec 29, 2007, 06:21 pm
i am a grade 2 level 3 division 1 RN in victoria. i get paid 24 dollars per hours. My friend who work as a theatre tech. in public hospital earn 26 dollar an hours, she told me her rate go up every year and 26 dollar is not their maixium rate. it is not fair, i did 3 years degree in uni, which was not cheap and i paid full fee for that. The theatre tech. only study a year short course to get a job. i have to make up the different by working lot of overtime, afternoon shift, which is ok for me, as i dont have family here. but it would be hard for someone who have kids to look after.
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Dec 30, 2007, 03:12 pm
What course do you do to become a theatre tech? You say a short course so does that mean TAFE? I'm very novice to all of this...
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Jan 07, 2008, 06:57 am
Hi Everyone It my first time here and I was very interested to read about the scales and pay. I am a nurse in the UK and am hoping to be in Adelaide by June 08. Could someone point me in the right direction or maybe someone could explain the different levels and what they mean. In the UK everyone is on a 'Band' example. Registered Nurses band 5 and then work up levels within that band, Band 6 junior sister Band 7 ward/unit manager and so on. I have looked at the nurses boards etc and cant seem to find anything, I am sure it is there somewhere! Any info on pay and levels would be much appreciated. Super site it has been really interesting reading from the nurses.
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shanti
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Jan 18, 2008, 02:54 pm
Not sure... I only know NSW rates which should be on this website http://www.nswnurses.asn.au/
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Liz
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Jan 18, 2008, 11:57 pm
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the $1303 was worked out I think as your baseline wage after tax. I just started my new job, and per week, if i do 40hrs only Mon-Fri morning, at $23.59/hr, its $943.60 before tax, tax is $196, so you get $747.60. If you salary sacrifice, then you apparently get another $110 in your pocket a fortnight. Obviously if you do afternoons, weekends etc, you will get more. Oh yah, the 23.59 is for a Qld private hospital, the education manager was saying that like public and private are equal, but their adjustments are like not done at the same time, usually 3months apart.
modified: Friday 18 January 2008 11:58:12 pm - Liz
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